Richard Christman, author of QuickSilver, gets a bit ticked at Frog's repeated insane behaviour. -------------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/hqks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi Folks! I was reading something written the other day. It upset me a lot. Here is a snippet of the article. > Question: did the BAVARIANS purposedly screw up mixmaster remailers so that > cpunk posts are plagued with that risk of post loss? Palfrader's hatred for > Cpunk is well-known, and it is quite possible that he *purposedly* plagued > the cpunk post with that additional hop, so that he can claim: "cpunk is less > reliable than mix". Sorry, but the right conclusion is: "Reliable is more > reliabe than mixmaster, especially the bavarian versions" > What do you expect for cpunk from a guy who doesn't even run a Cpunk remailer? > ROT26 is MIX-only (and middleman). And it is not a Len Sassaman (who presided > over the PGP7 debacle) who is going to help very much about Cpunk. I look at this and think...who the fuck does frog think he is? Then I realized it was the troll! What about you? Have you not seen frog talk exactly like this a hundred times? The details that led to these statements are unimportant. It's always the same. The obvious truth is, Len and Peter are well respected among their peers. Frog is not. Len is frequently asked to speak before groups. He is a world renowned expert on communications security. In the remops list a few days ago Kat asked, "Who ever asked frog to speak anywhere?". Do a google search on Len and Peter. You'll find they are quite active. frog is a madman who believes he can dominate the future with lies, disinformation and fantasies--all by himself. Am I to believe that FROG-ADMIN is so far ahead, so far beyond mortal men that he can rightfully denegrate these well respected gentlemen? Am I to believe that he and his aged software are all I need and he'll protect me? The man is a raving lunatic. There is a very disturbing agenda at work here. Frog is against all remailer/client software except Reliable and JBN. Whenever individuals point out that one piece or the other really needs a bit of updating, king frog nips that in the bub by proclaiming the feature to be bad or unnecessary. This has never changed. Never a single update for his beloved software and users in 4-5 years. He programs in VB. Why won't he update it? Why won't anyone? There are many well respected individuals working on mixmaster and the generations that will follow that. There is absolutely no one working on future generations of cpunk. It was a good answer in it's day, but that day is drawing near to an end. To you few reliable operators out there, I know you believe in your remailer software, and I know your pride is real. I also know if you run a windows box, you don't currently have a choice and you don't have an upgrade path. That's just how frog wants it. If he has his way, you never will. There is movement among remops to delist frog from remailer stats reports--effectively blocking his remailer. I'd like to add my voice to this chorus, even though I am not a remailer operator. I'm an author of remailer client software and as frog has said, I have a vested interest. However, my interest is not simply in mixmaster as frog whines. I have a vested interest in the future of privacy. I'm going to be part of it. I was here when RProcess first arrived with his plans for a product called 'potato'. I was here when frog opened his remailer. I'm here to stay and plan to work with others and do my best for those who have an appreciation. Frog has clearly shown an inability to work with others. He's a loner with a need to dominate. Rarely do we actually see frogs statments attributed to frog. Most frog attacks are posted anonymously. Oh, you didn't think frog would stoop to the level of SK? Wake up! SK/frog, frog/SK, sameo, sameo. Only the name is changed to protect the guilty. The man thinks he can dominate the future of remailers with lies, disinformation and fantasies. I try to be old-school in my beliefs regarding remailer operation. I believe in allowing the user to have the ultimate decision as to whether he uses a specific remailer or not. However, in a case where a remop uses his remailer as a weapon against every single person he dislikes, and does it everyday for years, that remop must not be allowed to run a remailer. Look at our group, what curious person could stop by here and come away with respect for us? Our reputation is for abuse. Our reputation is for nastiness. Frog-admin is an abuser, caters to abusers. and decries other responsible remops for not doing same. In my opinion, just because you CAN allow abuse, does not make it right. Some abuses tarnish the reputation too much. Frog is the worst abuser in the history of the remailer network. I honestly don't think we can make frog go away. We may be plagued with his trolling and ugliness for years to come. It's always possible that public humiliation might drive him away, but I doubt it. What we can do, and should do, is take this little boy's toy away. Take that weapon out of his hands, It's time. Remops, let's have an end to this lunatic's reign. He is not the king of the world and has no business coming here and forcing that attitude down our throats. We all have suffered his abuse enough. Give us the satisfaction of seeing this madman shamed. This is not a case where something has been going on for a few months and there might be hope for him. He is a raving lunatic and he has been doing this for 4 years. 4 YEARS!!!! Dump this asshole and do it now. I know he provides many web pages of remailer network analysis at his site. If this is lost to us, we'll replace them. There is no better motivator than need. We'll replace them and I plan to do some myself. And by the way, where did we ever get the idea we could trust frog's reports? He has to be manipulating his stats to be hiding his flooding. So he's not fudging info in other reports? And this piece of shit thinks he's gonna 'boschloo' me? What a mistake that was. If I was thinking of leaving I left all those thoughts behind 2 years ago when the QS bashing had been on for a year. I will never go away. I'd like to mention Thomas Boschloo. When I see that term 'boschlooed'. I feel exactly the same way as with the quote I started this post with. Anger at the author. If you don't know Thomas, I'll tell you, he's a likable guy. It made me smile recently when I saw him described thus, 'He's a loon. A harmless, well-meaning loon, but a loon nonetheless.' Pretty accurate :) He was second only to Champerty in speaking out against frog. I can also say I've never seen a mean- spirited post by him. He is the kind of person you and I would have a smile for. Frog, on the other hand, tried to beat him to the ground and push him out the door. Big man, frog. Thomas did not leave this group because of frog's attacks on him. We didn't quit talking to him because of those attacks either. The truth is, none of us have had much to say for a long, long time. Every sentence we write is twisted into something ugly by frog and posted anonymously hundreds of times. If we can ever shake off this lunatic, maybe, in time, we can go back to being a friendly, interesting group again. Maybe Thomas will come around from time to time. I'd like to see that. But even more, I'd like to see _us_ become a friendly, interesting group enjoying open discussion again. For the most part frog has put an end to free speech in our group. Looking back, Thomas was saying the same things then that I am saying now. He saw it and knew if he waited for solid evidence he'd never be able to speak. He was capable, just as all of us, of putting 2 and 2 together. A lot of you don't know the truth about Champerty. He was, in fact, voluntary maintainer of the APAS FAQ. It still contains much of his work. In the incident where frog outted an abuser using a secretly run second remailer to catch the flooder (4 years ago), he became much too emotionally involved in his dispute with frog. I know the feeling and stay away from it. Champerty left in disgust and passed the FAQ chores to Computer Cryptology who kindly has maintained our FAQ ever since. Many of you will note that you have never seen another post by CC other than the FAQ. Oh, they use to take part here, but it got too nasty. Yet they carry on maintaining our FAQ never asking anything in return. Did Champerty ever troll frog? I don't know. The references frog makes ring no bells with me, but then frog is a liar. He's a lying sack of shit. What do I think, if Champerty really did troll frog? Fuck frog. That's what I think. I'm not going to ask frog's reply to any questions in this post. He has no exonerating evidence. He'll never reply. He's a lunatic on the loose. I'll just direct a personal note specifically to him. Did you really think you would...you know...get rid of me? What a dumb shit you are. What'll it be today? My own personal flood. I know you like that. Your favorite tool, so to speak. Maybe sign me up for some nice mailing lists? Auto-responders? Spammers? Whatever. No problem. Well, how about sending me a virus or 2 daily. How could I know that was you? Your floods!. The virus emails frequently had the odd subject of 'CellPadding'. It never made any sense to me until one day one of your flood messages in the group had the subject CellPadding. Actually there were several variations on it. No big deal. Maybe forge my address on a virus email and send it to some other enemy of yours? Or will it be the coup de gras--will you somehow bring the scientologists lawyers down on me like you did on Len, just days ago? You are such a clever child! You really should be careful. Pick the wrong person to harrass, they might have time on their hands and be even more evil than you. Oh...sorry, that's not possible. If you are a remop who disagrees with me today, I'm sorry, I feel if you would look at the evidence with an open mind you would feel as I, and nearly everyone else here does. Probably frog has never uttered an unkind word to you. That is a facade. A false front. He's a lunatic. I'm sorry you are fooled. To continue to fight for him, is to continue to condone the abuses that have plagued this group, these people, and others for years. Give _us_ your support. Stand for something good. Do it for Len and Peter. Do it for Computer Cryptology, Eric Arneson, Zax and, what the hell, do it for me too! I've taken my share as well. We are the ones who have stayed with hope our group could become a decent place again. Regards to all, Richard - -- R.Christman Benchmark Software quicksilver@skuz.net http://quicksilver.skuz.net I support Eric Arneson, Thomas Boschloo, Doc Cypher, Champerty, Peter Palfrader, Len Sassaman, Zax, et al. If you are new here, click for important info regarding frog-admin. http://quicksilver.skuz.net/BEWARE.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: N/A iQBVAwUBPsvK9/kiDnOECmYBAQHwvQH5AY3SuxuGG+qo/qcal9jbX7erazaCnyT+ pBGa0AfN0gmjjrAoK2Ni9zOfLg+Tep5BECA4XuoROOCPPQQ3gwTg5g== =k9wT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----