Original copy of From nobody@dizum.com Thu Jul 03 22:30:08 2003 On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, nobody@dizum.com wrote: >In article >Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header (Frog-Admin) wrote: > >> The more m2news, the better >> Peter Palfrader tries to harm the m2news by all possible means. >> - -trying to harm the propagation: >> see the hard evidence in >> news:slrnbe7kcb.pfp.lusenet-200202@valiant.palfrader.org >> - -starting design abuse: like the episode with cancel in german abuse NG >What's wrong with his message? Is there something factually >incorrect about it that you are trying to point out? It doesn't seem >like any form of abuse, just an observation. >> - -trying to flood the m2news: >> the chart is truncated: >> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/Browse.html >> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NQTE_20030401.gif >> http://frogadmin.yi.org/Graphs/NMOD_20030601.gif >> here is the data: >> #2003-06-12# 720 2 051 392 >> #2003-06-13# 11 679 56 561 386 >> #2003-06-14# 2 887 24 188 809 >> #2003-06-15# 1 146 10 100 046 >> #2003-06-16# 710 5 238 164 >What does this tell me? How do these numbers make Peter Palfrader >guilty of anything? You seem to think they are glaring proof of his >guilt, but nobody else understands why. >> - -posting false information about the m2news' capabilities: like last year >Like last year? This doesn't even constitute evidence, let alone >suggest guilt of anything. >This guy is the lead programmer for the ongoing development of >Mixmaster. He's highly regarded for his programming abilities both >within and outside the anonymity community. Why are you attacking >him, but unable to provide any factual evidence? Without this, you >only damage your own image. >Please don't duck these questions, they aren't meant to be trolling, >just a simple request for information. This poster raises issues that should be addressed. Frog Admin, I've always admired and appreciated your work. I've used your services and been grateful for them. I've written to apas on many occasions to thank you for the many useful things you post here, including answers to questions I've had. And I would like you thank you now for sticking around despite your travails. In recent months, however, you have undermined your reputation and value. You've done this yourself. Yes, you were provoked. But in the end it was your reaction to the provocation that undermined you. It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts. Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and conclusive. It also remains a fact that some of your actions have resulted in many other remailers blocking you. Continue to think whatever you like. But please do whatever you may need to do to end this sad state of affairs. I am not talking about anything that would compromise your principles. I am talking about acknowledging whatever you may think were your errors and correcting them. Or don't bother acknowleding them but correct them so that other remops will have no reason or excuse to stop blocking you. You are the only person who can do what you need to do. I sincerely hope you do it. From Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header Fri Jul 04 03:33:09 2003 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Nomen Nescio wrote: >It is obvious that you have no conclusive evidence for your more serious >allegations. It is sad to see you continue to treat circumstantial >evidence as though it were proven fact, and theories and speculations as >though they were valid conclusions supported by adequate facts. > >Even if all of your allegations were correct, the fact remains that you do >not have a shred of evidence to support them that is incontrovertible and >conclusive. - -There is hard evidence of Sassaman francophobia and repeated insults something which would not be tolerated in the workplace - -There is hard evidence of Palfrader posting in German NG to have Frog M2news UDPed - -There is hard evidence of Palfrader repeatedly posting false information - -There is hard evidence of Sassaman alternatively ganging with flooders and netcops against Frog The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman motives is as compelling as can be, it's not even a textbook example, it's almost a caricature. The circumstancial evidence of Palfrader and Sassaman flooding and other attacks is much more conclusive that anything they found to be enough against me: they fall by they *own* standards. I repeatedly posted that there was a troll trying to pitch the remops against each other. Palfrader and Sassaman embarked too joyfully in the anti-Frog bandwagon. "Political stupidity" is an excuse with limited value, after a while one must consider that they indeed have a *vested interest* in fueling the campaign. If they have such a potent *vested interest*, then everything is possible, including having fabricated floods and trolls to frame me. >It also remains a fact that some of your actions have resulted in many >other remailers blocking you. It is not a beauty contest >Continue to think whatever you like. But please do whatever you may need >to do to end this sad state of affairs. Invest in the WWW page to reference both the hard and circumstancial evidence. >I am not talking about anything that would compromise your principles. I >am talking about acknowledging whatever you may think were your errors and >correcting them. Or don't bother acknowleding them but correct them so >that other remops will have no reason or excuse to stop blocking you. I should have blocked Randseed and Rot26 one year ago I should not have burnt my eyes this winter, making me nearly unable to do anything I should have invested sooner in WWW pages about: - -the 5 flooders I outed - -the netcops I disposed of - -the way I ignore trolls, disinformation specialists and Frog-haters, the various *should* and coach flies - -the Sassaman and Palfrader actions and motives, hard and circumstancial evidence But I have a 26 hours/day schedule -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: N/A iQEVAwUBPwU53IDgT488d3zFAQEwSggAwRQIaAs9dY6eCt3vegeCt1saYcUPJkwg Yyvj10g4c08BBxcUdN7Qyk/hHG2jW/M3wlyt05IoEsAPkJrxEltj8MiTJiU6GgFF 1rIH2jG02W3vVfZJ1CnjLEu7+Gt1imOX7BLFbZEyqOsdNbzMDPZQrH0y0g3ajBZz wNZbSSz8pg8+RNe+leQsjP0VO2QbxtVkEfjq4P/k0hrD3A7QyGHxZatjGTvFOG4i GYnZxsbWXKKTs/is5be0SV+AW2GfLRtELRfOLG67Dppjik4zYeM1HovdcgGdHmTt 1pclD23MVYRX/zOZ7ip0x2/d2QQ4dcgNpqJWNuwNxdKNvGV7YbgsYA== =Nd1t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----